Thursday, July 23, 2009

staylds.com helpful? dangerous?

A recent Salt Lake Tribune article discussed a website that was designed to help those who are having questions about their faith in the LDS (Mormon) Church reconcile the church’s short comings and misrepresentation and to encourage them to stay anyway (www.staylds.com). I have reviewed some of the content on this website and think it is a sad statement about our addiction to religion whether the facts support the claims or not.



On the above website I found a link to this video clip which discusses the discrepancies between what is taught as church doctrine and history and what the fact of the record reveals. It is designed to help faithful members understand why folks leave and then to encourage them to help their friends and neighbors to stay and accept the fact that although there are huge problems with the official doctrinal history they can choose to accept the portions of it that resonate with them personally and ignore the portions that do not. If that does not work it encourages them to stay active for the association with good people and opportunity of service. I watched the entire 57 minutes of the video and found nothing new but I did find it disturbing that, at the end of the day, the reason for membership is now “association” and not the truth. The one point that I found fascinating was the idea that if you leave because this church has problems; you have to consider what church does not and then you should choose the lesser of the two evils.

As someone who struggled through a crisis of faith and moved on, I find the strategy of staying for association unhealthy and potentially emotionally dangerous. First, there is the constant exposure to the idea that you will not reach your spiritual potential. There is nothing in the official doctrine that supports an a la carte approach the religion. Either the prophet, and all of his predecessors, were infallible and the mouth piece of God or they were not. If the latter is true then the church is not. If the prior is true, then you must follow the doctrine as it has been outlined historically or risk judgment in the last days.

In the video and the website there is an acknowledgement, that once someone decides to leave the Mormon Church, they face ostracism from family, friends and neighbors who already know and love them for the content of their character but are threatened by their crisis of faith. I had a recent discussion with a devout member of the LDS Church who acknowledged they shun information and people who are potentially threatening to their testimony. As an open atheist and a former Mormon in a tight-knit Mormon community I found this ostracism to be a factor. We have had our children come home crying because they were not allowed to play with children in the neighborhood. There is also the pervasive cliquish mentality that tends to make non-believers feel inadequate. So what is the push to keep these folks in the religion if there are doctrinal doubts for both the producers of the video and the administrators of the website? What is the motivation to encourage the doubters to avoid websites like www.postmormon.org or www.exmormon.org? Both the video and the website claim to not endorse the apologist sites like FARMS and FAIR but both make reference to these organizations and the Staylds.com links to the sites. There is no link to www.postmormon.org or www.exmormon.org. Why would you ask someone to stay with an abuser or encourage them to drink poison after adding sugar to make it sweeter. Both postmormon.org and exmormon.org have empathy and understanding for the stress that comes with first finding that your faith is not true and then realizing you may loose your family and neighbors over it.

For me this brings the larger question regarding religion. If you doubt the divinity and infallibility of the prophets then why is it so hard to acknowledge that religion is man made? What is the drunkenness that drives us to attend church, any church, and then obscures our ability to ask questions and demand answers that actually answer the questions? The most frustrating pro-argument for me is the response “this is what I believe”. What is your basis for belief? A feeling is not proof. I have found that most Mormons, Christians, and other religious folks do not understand the context in which their religions were formed. Religion was not given to us by God it was created by man. We find ourselves at odds with an established religion and we create another to suit us. And thus, we are creating another religion when we become a la carte Mormons.

6 comments:

  1. We know all this, and we make a decision to stay. There's no institutional abuse anymore at that point, as you allege. The reasons are far more than just social connections, but is that a terrible reason if you like the community? Take what you like. Dump what you hate. All-or-nothing thinking is a mindset that some people choose. Some people let go of that.

    I know this idea makes you crazy. It's ok.

    -Valoel, StayLDS.com Moderator

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  2. Valoel, sorry I have not commented earlier I did not see your comment until today. What makes me crazy is that once the veil has been lifted so to speak you are no longer in concert with that community. You cannot speak openly about your doubt, you cannot openly question without fear of reprisal, and ultimately what you propose is a denial of the doubters self.

    As a result, you continue to be exposed to the institutional abuse only now you are party to it in a masocistic way. The remedy you propose is not a long term solution and I maintain it is harmful. If the you believe the religion is false then the culture that surrounds it is a facade and it would be somewhat like living Disneyland.....Nice place to visit but it's not a good long term existence.

    If is it is a lie you can live with ....good luck to you. I think is harmful and unhealthy that you encourage others to live the lie too.

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  3. I don't believe the religion is false. That to me is like saying a ham sandwich is false. It's just a church. I let go of binary, dichotomous thinking like that -- that the Church (any religion) is all true or all false. We're about the same age. How many places in your life experience have been all good or all evil? All functional or all dysfunctional? The world isn't just black and white. It isn't even shades of gray. It's a beautiful rainbow.

    There are a lot of beautiful ideas in the LDS Church that speak deeply to me. There are a lot of beautiful people that I find inspiring (even ones I do not agree with). The concept that everyone thinks and acts in lockstep isn't accurate.

    I reject that entire premise (all or nothing). I can and do choose what to believe and what to doubt. That is the transition from being a child of God to an adult of God.

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  4. If a religion bases its existence on the dogma it presents and states that it is true...It is not me that has binary thinking. The problem here is not resolved by blaming the victim.

    You have failed to address my points (from my last post):

    "Once the veil has been lifted so to speak you are no longer in concert with that community. You cannot speak openly about your doubt, you cannot openly question without fear of reprisal, and ultimately what you propose is a denial of the doubters self.

    As a result, you continue to be exposed to the institutional abuse only now you are party to it in a masochistic way. The remedy you propose is not a long term solution and I maintain it is harmful. If you believe the religion is false then the culture that surrounds it is a facade and it would be somewhat like living Disneyland.....Nice place to visit but it's not a good long term existence."

    The issue here is not participating with a social club with nice people. The issue here is that the church was built on a foundation of deception and lies and once a member discovers that they are torn between the realization that it is not as it was represented and the idea that they will not have eternal salvation.

    Additionally, the site staylds.com does not link to postmormon.org or the The Exmormon Foundation or any other site that allows them member in doubt to explore the other avenues. What you propose is binary thinking in that you want to limit the choices to 1 or 0. What I suggest to you is that there is beauty outside of Mormonism!

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  5. I agree with your comment that folks who follow this "middle way" idea are essentially creating their own new religion.

    I also find the StayLDS position potentially harmful to others who have NOT found StayLDS, but have doubts and are in the same wards as some of the "Middle Way" Mormons. The Middle Way Mormons don't share their doubts in their local wards; they don't openly challenge the nonsensical stuff, e.g. the homophobia; they remain quiet. And, by remaining quiet they give the appearance of support, and other doubters who may be in the same pew as they are, feel like inadequate sinners who need to repent of their doubts.

    I understand that some Middle Way Mormons feel they have to continue to attend and appear to be a "good Mormon" for the sake of their family or career, etc. Some, however, claim to choose this Middle Way for other reasons, and I find that incredibly selfish, to appear to be a Christian who looks out for his or her brother, but who simply looks out for himself, and isn't helping the struggling members of his or her own ward. It is in some ways VERY Mormon in its level of dishonesty and self-servingness, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

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  6. Wow Flat. Thanks for adding a new dimension to the argument against. I had not quite put it in that perspective. I would have to say that I agree.

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