It is well known that I consume and digest many things in the Mormon Culture of Utah. It is also well known that I am an open critic of the LDS Church's policies on sex and sexuality and the harm I perceive they do. This post is no exception.
First I will address briefly the Children's friend article. The mother has a four year old who is worried about modesty.... and the mother furthers the neurosis by giving her an undershirt to cover the bare shoulders under her sun dress. The mother then celebrates her four year-old's modesty. First of all there is no such thing as four year-old modesty. This is a self concept that has been imposed on the child and is not natural and circumvents the natural development of the child. As many posters have written already on this topic... shoulders and four year-olds are not sexy. However, when we engage in a practice of covering every inch of flesh; the net result is, we sexualize those portions of the body which normally wouldn't be sexy.
The next article was written by a mother who had taken the bold step of banning Barbie from her home. Not because of the unrealistic body image that Barbie represents for her daughters but because of the thoughts a naked pink silhouette would give to her sons.
Then one day my oldest son (a big second-grader at the time) came up to me with a half-naked Barbie doll in his hands and said to me sternly, "Mom, I don't think this is an appropriate toy." He had just had a fatherly talk with my husband about what is "appropriate" and what is "a poison worse than the black plague of death itself and should be avoided at all costs, lest it rot your mind like an unstoppable rebel force."
So first of all why would you be giving your 7/8 year old boy a talk about pornography? Why would you start him on the path of self flagellant guilt. Making him aware of his sexuality and giving shame to his natural development is not the sign of healthy family... it is the sign of a family who engages in cultish behavior.
I know for families of girls, Barbies are a lifeline, an institution even. But that is not my family. My daughters are surrounded by brothers. Hot-blooded, American boys who should not be put into tough, compromising spots every time they're rooting around the playroom on a quest to find that one LEGO piece to complete their set.Again, it is the neurosis developed inside of the family that puts boys in the compromising position. Is it appropriate to make the female form responsible for the boys behavior? I believe we are sending the message that our daughters are objects and men are unable to control themselves.
And then there was this comment left on the now closed comment board:
Mickelle W.This brand of craziness does not breed children with healthy sexual identities. Is not the Barbie the appropriate metaphor for the Mormon view of women? She looks good without any capacity of enjoying sex. That is where this programming leads and culture is replete with examples.
posted 1 day ago
i personally hate seeing a naked barbie or ken doll laying on the floor of my house. but don't feel like it is fair to allow my son to have his boy toys if i am not going to allow my little girl to have hers. so when the dolls are purchased they become mine long enough to color on a leotard, or boxers depending on the sex of the doll. now who cares if my 7 year old son and all his macho boy friends take off the doll clothes in a front to get sisters goat. barbie remains modest, and mom remains un-bugged that their is a naked toy lying on the floor.
The final article and the one that really spawned this post was the one written by Geoff Steurer. He discusses the talk he had with his father-in-law, 15 years ago, when he asked for his wife's hand in marriage. He said, now the internet is more prevalent, he believes father-in-laws should be asking their potential son-in-laws about potentially sexually addictive behavior.
I have no doubt that if I were to go through that same interview today, her father would more than likely include one more line of questioning. I imagine it would sound something like this:Geoff, is a therapist. They don't mind telling you that in the article. However what they don't tell you is that pornography addiction and sexual addiction are not recognized by the APA. He also does not tell you that masturbation is a normal sexual behavior. Use of pornography for that purpose is considered normal. Sexual addiction and pornography use at all, in LDS communities, is immediately assigned to addiction status even if the use is occasional and does not interfere with daily functioning.
“Pornography is such a common struggle for so many young men these days. Naturally, I worry that this is something you have struggled with as a teenager or young adult. Will you please describe your experience with pornography and how you’ve handled it?”
If there isn’t a father in the home, then I still think it’s a good idea for the mother to have this conversation with the boyfriend. As awkward as it may seem to bring up this topic, I believe it’s even more awkward to deal with the potential aftermath if this issue surfaces later in marriage.
Please note that if you are personally struggling with an unresolved pornography problem, it will make it difficult, if not impossible, to counsel a future son-in-law about your concerns. You will feel like a phony and will either avoid the conversation all together, or minimize the seriousness of it as a way to protect yourself from the reality of your own struggles. If you have struggled with pornography and haven’t fully repented and recovered from the impact on your life, make sure that you’re actively working the same recovery process you would expect from this young man.
Does anyone see this as a boundary issue?
Discussion Points:I know what I would have and would still tell my father-in-law if this came up... 'it is none of your business!'
- Tell me about your experience with pornography over your lifetime.
- Is there a history of pornography use in your immediate or extended family?
- How do you define pornography?
- How have you healed from the impact of pornography on your life?
- Who helped you overcome your problems with pornography?
- How do you currently protect yourself from pornography?
- Have you ever wanted to stop viewing pornography, but couldn’t?
Under his bullet point red flags the author says to worry if:
He insists that he’s never even seen pornography and appears “too perfect” in his responses. Recognize that even though he may not have seen hardcore pornography, we live in a culture saturated with pornographic images. If he acts like he doesn’t notice or isn’t affected by those, you need to be concerned. Every man should acknowledge the occasional pull from images that are designed to draw our attention and entice us.
The author is turning windmills into dragons. He has to convince you that your normal sexual feelings and compulsions are abnormal. So if you are looking at the Victoria Secret Catalogue or the underwear section of the JcPenny Catalogue you are on the "slippery slope." The problem with the author's stance here; is it is out of sync with contemporary thought on the issues of sexual development. The migration to pornography may be more normal than the dogmatic abstinence of everything sexual.
It occurred to me, as I read the last article, growing up Mormon, especially in Utah, that you develop sexually in a fishbowl. From the beginning, we have over protective and ill informed mothers inserting themselves into our sexuality. If it is not the constant and unhealthy messages of modesty, it is interest in what we do in our private exploration. We have Bishops, Stake Presidents and now future father-in-laws, asking us about our sexual habits as if they had a personal investment in it. Mormons like to create distance between the practices of the FLDS and find the recent revelations that Jeffs engaged in sex in the temple with his brides in front of the witnesses disturbing. Are they really that far removed from engaging in that type of voyeurism when they insert themselves into every aspect of, not only their children's, but every member's sexual practices? Not just every member but also members of the unaffiliated community.
I have seen appropriately dressed females chastised for wearing clothing, that covers all of the appropriate regions, because they might be provocative or the are wearing fishnets and shorts. I have had mother's assert that they would not allow their son's to engage in a stage kiss; because, they wanted their son's first kiss to be with the woman he was going to marry. I have heard lectures of modesty given to unaffiliated girls who were also prepubescent and I have seen third parties put into a position of monitoring adult behavior to prevent any potential for adultery.
The Mormon obsession with sex is not healthy. I have seen it cripple marriages and more importantly the healthy development of sexual attitudes and identities in children. Instead of the fishbowl mentality it is time members tell everyone outside of their marriage "it is none of your business". It is also time that we allow our children to develop sexually and to explore their bodies in a safe and nurturing environment that acknowledges that sex and sexual development are deeply personal and you are allowed to get aroused and deal with that arousal in a healthy, private, and pro-social way. It is time we tell those loud and uniformed voices that what they are doing with their children is abusive and needs to stop.
This fatherinlaw question is gold! A sure sign you need to run away and find someone new. I can't think of anything more inappropriate or humiliating. A sure sign that your inlaws will be in your business in inappropriate ways for the rest of your life.
ReplyDeleteCan I just say I'm glad I was raised by you and not these crazies. I think I would lose a lot of respect for Cori's dad or step-dad if they asked about my private habits. They are no ones business but mine. Crazy fucking Mormon people!
ReplyDeleteExcellent post. Amen. I too have posted on the unhealthy sexual environment of Mormon culture and agree with you entirely. It's a mess!
ReplyDeleteThis is fantastic and hits the nail right on the head. Mormons have a sexual addiction - they are so obsessed with preventing any and all sexuality or enjoyment from sex, that they have become addicted to talking about it, preventing it from happening, and taking all the fun out of marital sex.
ReplyDeleteNot to mention mind-fucking all the kids from the age of 5 to feel like their bodies are disgusting and that sex is bad (so save it for the one you love!)...
I know first hand how this affects Children and young adults. your showing cleavage. (what I'm a girl) (She never wore the shirt again and I was the one who picked it out and bought it for her. do you really think that I would buy something that was not appropriate or distasteful for my daughter to wear). The other is for a young lady who was appropriately dressed called out on her attire you could see the hurt and humiliation this brought to this young lady who was emotionally damaged by this act. I was raised in an LDS home and I wore sun-suits and swim wear all summer long and as well as my friends when did this start getting so out of hand. call me crazy but I am not the one who has given my children the horrible body image.
ReplyDeleteI "overcame" my problems with pornography by de-stigmatizing it. Now, I am neither dependent on it, nor am I wracked with guilt when I look at it.
ReplyDeleteFor a heterosexual male to respond to the naked female form with sexual thoughts and arousal is common and not unhealthy, and it's not necessarily objectification. Chanson puts it really well here: http://lfab-uvm.blogspot.com/2007/03/questioning-objectification.html
Religious groups (Catholic, Mormon, what have you) that demonize healthy physical responses to stimuli are not only not helping anyone avoid abusive, disrespectful, or irresponsible sexual activity, they're actively engendering unhealthy attitudes about sex, which directly lead to abuse. This is demonstrated by the fact that, though the US has just about the most prudish attitudes about sex, European countries, who hand out contraceptives to young people and in general have a non-judgmental attitude about sex, have lower rates of rape and other dysfunctional/abusive sexual behavior.